The God of Kim Davis

Why Kim is not free to love

Kim Davis

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We used Newtonian physics to formulate the laws of nature. For hundreds of years, that is all there was. Objects could not be in two places at the same time. What goes up must come down. We understood these laws as defining reality itself and believed nature did not, and could not, work outside of them.

But Einstein’s theory of relativity changed all that, introducing physicists to the quantum world. Suddenly we began to discover that an entire universe existed that we had known nothing about, where the laws of nature that we believed to be immutable simply did not apply. The movement of one particle could affect the movement of another particle millions of miles away. Particles could disappear from one place and pop up again instantly in another place. Seriously. That’s what we have learned through the discipline of quantum physics.

And so what we in effect discovered was reality operating on two levels at once. But did quantum physics nullify Newtonian physics? In other words, did we have to throw the old physics out the window once we began to understand the rules of the new physics?

Of course not. Newtonian physics applies in all of the observable world. But quantum physics takes us into another world entirely, where the rules of Newtonian physics simply don’t apply. There are rules in quantum physics, but they’re very different from what we learned about the world through Newtonian physics.

The law of love as modeled and taught by Jesus is like quantum physics. It takes us into an entirely different universe, where our previous understandings of things, typical conceptions of morality and immorality, simply do not apply any more. This is obvious because one of the things Jesus did most often was show the Jewish leaders that their skillfully honed conceptions of God and love didn’t even come close to reaching far enough.

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev got the death penalty for his role in the Boston Marathon bombing. I get that. On a certain level, it makes sense.

But if he were my son, do you know where I would have been during his trial? Sitting right behind him, praying for him, wanting the best for him that would be possible. Even hoping against hope that others might have some kind of mercy or compassion on him, because the way I loved him would prohibit me from being able to ever see him in any way except through the eyes of love.

A parent’s love for their child is, when it’s healthy, quantum. It’s other-worldly, one where the usual rules of reciprocity, tit-for-tat, and performance-based approval do not apply.

This is how real love always works.

The closer we get to love, the more our traditional notions of morality are turned on their heads. (Proof of this? Almost every one of Jesus’ parables.)

It’s not that they disappear, or that there is no difference between good and bad, right and wrong.

But in the universe of love, you simply cannot think in those terms anymore. You can acknowledge them, intellectually, just like I could acknowledge, if I were Tsarnaev’s father, that what he did was terrible, and deserves to be punished, but I would not be capable of wanting death for him.  I would forever and always be biased in favor of my son.

When Jesus gave us the command to love, I believe it was precisely because he understood that love is this universal biasing agent.

When I love you with the love of God, I am unable to want anything but the best for you. Others can have their judgments about you, and they will. People make all kinds of moral arguments about everything, and some of those arguments will make a great deal of sense. But if I love you, I love you, and nothing can change that.

And the thing is, God already loves us in exactly that way, at least according to what Jesus said.

That is already how God sees gay people, straight people, criminals, rich, poor, Muslims, peace-makers, terrorists, everyone.

In our Newtonian world, we must pursue justice to the best of our ability. We must make legal judgments, actions must have consequences.

But in God’s quantum world, all of that disappears in the blinding light of pure love.

Most certainly Jesus appealed to and upheld the old Newtonian morality when he told the woman caught in adultery to go and sin no more.

But by that time, everybody else was gone. None of those standing in judgment over her, none of the self-righteous enforcers of the old morality, were present. Jesus had dismissed them.  Dispensed with them, really.

It was not up to any of them to tell her this. It was between her and Jesus.

We learn from that story that God is the one who tells us how to live.

We are completely dismissed from being the ones standing in judgment over others, from being the ones commanding that someone else live this way or that.

That is a heavy burden, and we do not have to carry it. Not even in the name of being faithful to God, which of course is what those men standing in judgment over that woman thought they were being at that moment — faithful to God .

At this moment Kim Davis and thousands of her Newtonian supporters appear to be standing in judgment over gay couples, out of what they believe is faithfulness to God.

Whether they are sincerely mistaken, ignorant, spiteful, or misled is not for me to decide — I’m sure it depends on the person — but one thing I know. The people who cried out for the death of Jesus were not bad people. They were sincere, religious, Newtonian-thinking people who really believed that by getting rid of Jesus, they were doing God a favor. A person can be deeply convinced they are doing the right thing, and sincere as they go about doing it, and still be deeply wrong.

Because Newtonian math doesn’t work in the quantum world. No matter how hard you try to apply it, all your calculations will be off..

Though I don’t support Davis, I have pity for her, because she admits she is doing this out of fear of being punished by God.

I suspect this is not unlike the fear many people have, that they will do what they sincerely believe is best in this life, only to find out in the end that they screwed up, God is angry, and they are going to suffer for it for eternity.

Can you imagine what it would be like to really believe this, to deeply believe God has placed you on this kind of razor edge and required you to balance on it?

When you really believe that, you err on the side of harshness and judgment every time because to you, your immortal soul depends on not being wrong. The penalty for being wrong is just too terrible and fearsome.

This is a rule, by the way. When you believe in Kim Davis’s God, you can be a really sincere person, trying hard to please God and love other people, but in a bind, your fear of punishment will always push you into harshness and lack of love.

I know this because I believed in that God most of my life, and tried desperately to apply my Newtonian understanding of love to the mind-blowing, counter-intuitive, quantum concept of love Jesus introduced to us. I know where that road leads. I hope and pray Kim Davis and all her supporters one day see this as well.

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40 thoughts on “The God of Kim Davis

  1. Thanks so much for the article, Dave, it’s this kind of love that I embrace and try to get others to embrace. Jesus’s love is on a Quantum level, and He sees us through the lens of love and not condemnation. He condemns the sin, but never the sinner, He loves the sinner. Thinking of my own children and the love I have for them, I apply it to others. I think so many Christians stand in judgment because they think that’s what God calls them to do, not out of malice as much, they think it’s God’s will that they be this way. God calls us not to judge others not only because He has forgiven our sins, but that judgment is death to a lot of people in so many ways. It causes them to abandon church, and abandon God and abandon friendships. It is a killer. We have discernment of sin in others, and are called to gently and with love and compassion, lead them to a path of wisdom and Godliness, but we are not to judge the sinner, that is God’s domain. Thanks so much for your article, I loved it and wish we could get others to embrace this way of radical love and acceptance.

      • Dave, I read the article above and agree wholeheartedly. The way I share things is personal stories. Like if I hear someone being judgmental, I don’t point it out to them, I share a personal story of a time when I was judged and how it made me feel. I don’t do this in a spirit of anger but out of a spirit of wanting them to understand the damage that this did to me. The topic of homosexuality and transgenderism came up at a dinner a bunch of people from church were having and someone asked the pastor what the bible had to say about the transgender/homosexual issue. The pastor said “Well, nothing specific about transgenders”, (yes, he wiffed on the ball), so I just shared how transgender people have a much higher suicide rate, as much as 9 times higher that I had read, and that they need our love and acceptance as much as anyone else so we can share the gospel with them. I then a story about a friend of mine who is a Christian who used to punish himself daily for being gay because he came from a church that was openly hostile towards homosexuals, and how I met him in a psychiatric hospital because he was suicidal and thought God hated him. I also told of ministering to him ( actually met him twice in the hospital), and that he told me years later that through my acceptance of him, he came out of the closet and now has a degree in theology and his masters in social work and works with the LGBT community. That’s how I share Jesus Quantum love, and how others receive it is not up to me. I did notice that at the end of the conversation that all other conversations at the table had stopped and everyone was listening to me. lol. One guy said “That’s right, we should love them like we love everyone else”. So, that’s how I share Jesus love with others, no matter if I have earned the right to be heard or not. I feel we are called to speak the truth with love and compassion, and if they don’t have ears to hear, that’s not my job to be the Holy Spirit to them. I just share what God puts on my heart to share.

  2. Were Kim Davis the clerk of an anti-homosexual church or religious body that issued marriage licenses and performed the sacrament of marriage, then she would be well within her rights to not issue marriage licenses to same sex couples, to deny the sacrament of marriage to same sex couples, or to conscientiously object to orders from within that church to issue such licenses or perform such rites. This imagined scenario speaks to the religious freedom we hold so dear in this country. Unfortunately, Ms. Davis is a COUNTY clerk, a clerk in the GOVERNMENT that is an agent of LAW, both local and federal. As such, Ms. Davis is required to issue a marriage license to whomever the law says she must, and this license is simply a public record similar to a vehicle title or registration. By issuing these marriage licenses, Ms. Davis is no more “participating” in these marriages than she is “driving” a vehicle she might register. The SACRAMENT of marriage is performed at a later time, in the religious or non-religious context of the participants’ choosing, and I’m, quite sure Ms. Davis is not invited or called upon to participate in the solemnization of any marriage that she or her church would not approve, not to mention, she seems like a first class party pooper. Ms. Davis MUST render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s, or simply get another job. Jesus instructs us to give up everything for HIM, not resort to pharisaical whining and obstructing government business so she can keep her cushy job that supports her and her fourth husband. If I used the same kind of reasoning as Ms. Davis, I would throw a huge hissy fit to not have her tainted, much-divorced signature on my precious marriage license. I digress….

    My point: Ms. Davis’s position, and those that support her, is quite simply, untenable. I welcome Ms. Davis to seek employment elsewhere, find a job that is more aligned with her concept of right livelihood. That said, to focus on Ms. Davis’s “rights” or her “rightness”, or to focus on whether or not your judgement about homosexuality is supported by scripture, misses the crux of this beautifully written and thoughtful piece. Homosexuality may be wrong for you. Homosexuality may be wrong for your church. Homosexuality may be wrong for Christians. But that doesn’t matter. There are nearly 100 million non-Christians in the USA. There are about 6 billion non-Christians in this world. Who are you to say what’s right or wrong for them? You’ve only got one person to worry about.

    Stop throwing stones of judgment. Get that plank out of your eye and learn to love as God has loved you.

  3. Reading most of the comments, I can see many divided sides. Of course, it takes a lot of courage to post your thoughts on such a controversial topic, especially one that has momentum. Everyone has their own thoughts and opinions on any subject, especially this one. When we reference the Bible remember that all of our ability to read it is skewed by our own sin and experiences. One will read it one way and another the other. Just because there is new theology doesn’t mean it is better theology.

    I just want to say that when we read the Scripture we should respect it and not quote it as if it was something we pulled out of some speech or interview. Reading the Bible is an intimate process and discussion between the person and God. It is complex and has layers of teachings that take a lifetime to understand. Even though some men have spent a lifetime trying to understand God’s word some things remain a mystery. So we have these ideas and theories we come up with that are human in nature that give us some sense of security or ease in our lives. We are all on His time and when we are ready for deeper understanding He will give us more information and insights into how he created the world. He is our Father and like any father wants to protect His children like David demonstrates with the Boston Marathon Bombing.

    I would still love my children if they were in the same situation asking God and the Courts for mercy and forgiveness. If my children decided to reveal to me if they were gay, they would still be my children and I would pray for them because I realize I have my own clouded judgment and sins.

    If Kim Davis was right or wrong I cannot say, many more smart people than me that could answer that question. There is the law of the land and then Scripture. Many people are dissecting Scripture to plead their case one way or another. I think we have to step back from the topic. How one will view it today will not be the same in 10 years. Who knows maybe it’ll just be a footnote in history or maybe it will be the next big decision for The Supreme Court?

  4. David, I read this article during a visit with my Grandparents. My Grandmother told me, that after reading it, she thinks that she finally understands what quantum is all about. I appreciate your ability to do this, your eloquent writing style, as well as your comparison between Newtonian math and the quantum world. It was beautifully written in a fashion that is easy to understand, however your comparison between gay couples and the woman caught in adultery, reflect an age old correlation between women and sin.This is a curse that all women must bare. You claim to hold no judgement, which I hope is true. By comparing these two situations, you have demonstrated what “sin” is in the eyes of man. Had you used a Bible story about a man’s sin, it would not have fit so precisely, nor would it have the same significance, because a man’s sin is always less than a woman’s. You have made a great point here. The two subjects, in which only God can judge, have been judged by a man’s standpoint. So while claiming to hold no judgement, I encourage you to examine the choice of the situations in which not to judge.

    • Hi Vane, thanks for reading, and especially for these detailed comments.

      I have no regrets whatsoever about the Biblical example I used. I contained everything I needed for purposes of my illustration. Those standing around with rocks, ready to condemn. A broken human being (I don’t happen to care that she’s a woman, she just happens to be), Jesus’ reply to the crowd, and PARTICULARLY his admonition to her after everyone had left, between him and her.

      In short, Sigmund Freud once said, when someone asked him if his cigar habit was an indicator of an oral fixation, “Sometimes a cigar is just a good smoke.” This was an admonition not to get carried away with interpretations and reading too deeply into things, and I would caution you the same way with my post. It’s not a statement about women and their sin being especially egregious, nor reinforcing any ideas that this was so.

      Thanks again for your encouraging comments and your literate and intelligent reading of my post. Much appreciated.

  5. Love this post. Especially your approach to diagreement in the comment section. Practicing what you’re preaching. Well done.

  6. First, it’s her constitutional right to refuse to do anything against her religion.
    Second, the bible doesn’t say to love we must condone or participate in sin, in fact in Romans 1 it says anyone who does (and it’s talking about homosexuality) will also reap rewards of damnation.
    Do you really think Jesus would have married. Homosexual couple or given them a marriage certificate to show love?
    In fact Jesus says to not point out their sin is in fact hate, you allow people to go to hell then you hate them, how about love them enough to point out sin even at the cost of being hated? Just as Jesus did himself.

    • Do I think Jesus would hand out marriage licenses to gays? Yes. Completely.

      Yes, she of course can refuse to violate her conscience. But her job requires certain things and if she cannot do them she needs to step down.

      But all this misses the point of my post.

    • Thank you, very well said that’s exactly right. Jesus loved us so much he died for SIN that when we believe we shall be saved from sin & have everlasting life. Saved from WHAT? From SIN! Can you honestly see God or Jesus say, I love you sooooooo much that I am going to overlook your SIN and marry you so that in the name of love you can love each other and carry on your sinful way. That’s not LOVE the scripture calls it an abomination to God. Why would God go against his word. Against natural desires. The scripture calls it demonic & against Gods nature. God created Adam & Eve not Adam & Steve. Why would God go through all the trouble of making a woman out of a man’s rib? Or even through the trouble of coming down here himself to die for us. The devil is a liar & has you decieved. I got in real trouble one day. I became curious & immediately I heard a voice whether it was God, Jesus, the Holy Ghost or an Angel I do not know but I still heard it and it said, “if you do this you will loose everything. I chose to ignore the voice & go right ahead & comitted the sin & you know what I am reaping what I sowed. It has come to pass.

  7. One time my wife and I were fighting, I was using very accusatory words…telling her she lacked some of the maternal characteristics she should have. She looked me square in the eyes without a hint of judgement and said, “Honey…you’re talking to your mom. I’m not your mom.” I was caught with my pants down. I was speaking to her through the lens of my past…not her present. I knew she was right and I had a choice to make: either fight her on it or take in that precious layer of truth that was hiding beneath layers of pain and lies.

    It is obvious you’ve struck a nerve here. No one likes to be called out…and some of the commentary feels like the response of those who’ve been caught with their pants down. I get it…it takes your breath away when it happens and you either pause, get quiet and reflect…or you lash out, plead your case, dig in your heels. Dave…this:

    “But by that time, everybody else was gone. None of those standing in judgment over her, none of the self-righteous enforcers of the old morality, were present. Jesus had dismissed them. Dispensed with them, really. It was not up to any of them to tell her this. It was between her and Jesus.”

    That is one of the most compelling and easy to understand ways I’ve heard for people to agree to disagree: holding on to what we believe is the truth, but making no room to accuse or judge based on what we believe that truth to be.

    Also, the scare of making the wrong choice…the eternal consequences we face…the “razor’s edge” we’re so sure we’re standing on – yes…it will drive the love right out of us, because our souls are hanging in the balance. The funny thing is, my whole life, standing on that razor’s edge never felt right to me. Deep inside, every ounce of me was squeamish every time I felt I was SUPPOSED to point my finger. Deep inside, I knew my judgement wasn’t good news. I had been wrong…for years. Dead wrong.

    Well done, my friend.

    • Thanks, Matt. This response is amazing and adds dimension to what I was trying to say. Thanks for taking the time to read it. So excited, my friend, for all the amazing things that are happening for you and Heather.

  8. “The God of Kim Davis” is a wonderful piece. So well written and inspiring. Reminds us of the deep love of agape that Martin Luther King, Jr., Gandhi and others throughout the ages have celebrated. And this wonderful essay also reminds us that we all suffer from the same delusion as Kim Davis in one way or another. And that recognition can be transformative for us and for our nation.

    We admirably strive to improve the world. We work to end war, feed the hungry and enact laws that will protect our kids and our environment. We push back against the corporate hijacking of our republic. We work to change the rules of our economy in order to reverse dramatic wealth disparity. All of these nonviolent efforts are important and we should keep at it. *But our current mode of thinking has prevented us from recognizing an even more powerful solution, one that can compliment and energize our current efforts.*

    One reason we haven’t solved our major problems yet is that we continue to see things as happening TO us and we keep searching for solutions ONLY in the external world. Those solutions, as necessary as they are, are not sufficient. They will only stick if we also change our internal point of view.

    Our current dualistic worldview will always lead to more problems. This is true no matter how well-meaning we are and no matter how hard we work to fix external circumstances. If we really want to change things, we’re going to have to realize that these external circumstances are essentially symptoms of a deeper “dis-ease”.

    Ironically, the flawed dualistic frame through which we view the world is essentially what’s causing a lot of the problems that we’re working so hard to fix. We need to take responsibility for our contribution to these problems. Luckily, taking such personal responsibility opens the door for us to play a real role in the solutions as well.

    Albert Einstein put it like this: “A human being is part of a whole, called by us the Universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings, as something separated from the rest a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circles of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty.”

    We are currently stuck in a dualistic “everything is separate and it’s me against the world” mindset. The good news is that, once we take a step back, we can come to realize that this mindset is just a delusion. The source of the struggle is not really out there in the world as we think it is. The SYMPTOMS are out there and they are very real and dangerous. But the true root of the problem is in our heads. We are simply projecting our internal delusion out into the world. In our minds, we red staters and blue staters, we democracy advocates and anarchists, we Christians and Muslims are in the same boat in one very important aspect: We each think of ourselves as separate individuals and *we experience daily life with a “me vs. the world” mindset.* By doing so, we see a distorted view of reality, almost as if we are wearing green tinted glasses. We THINK the whole world is green (full of disconnected individual parts) and we are 100% sure that’s reality. But it isn’t. *We can awaken to a larger view and see the world as it actually is, an interdependent whole (rather than a collection of disconnected parts). Once we gain this context, our own individual world will transform and so will our society as others awaken from the dualistic delusion too.*

    We each think we are like separate waves in the ocean. Each individual wave (and human being), it appears, is “born”, rises and “dies” and is separate from the others. This is our perspective and to us, it’s “just the way it is.” We compare ourselves unfavorably along the way to some “waves” and resist others. It is a dissatisfied perspective full of struggle that leads to continual stress and resistance. It also causes all of us to do harm in the world, no matter how good our intentions.

    We start off on many valiant efforts to fix things, but we lose before we even start because we begin with a limited mindset that cuts us off from the very results we seek.

    But it doesn’t have to be this way. The worldview that says we are all separate waves is a distorted view of reality. As a matter of fact, it’s just an idea in our heads. As you well know, the truth is that *waves are just WATER.* They aren’t separate from the ocean. You can’t really draw a line and show where one ends and another begins. The separateness we are so sure exists in the world is just an artificial construct in our minds. The “wave” is just a form. It’s really just water.

    *The water exists in the world, but the wave only exists in our heads.*

    We only think we’re seeing individual waves because, with language, we name things and thereby lay a false grid across the world, artificially segmenting it into parts. Then, amazingly, we turn around and believe that segmentation is actually out there in the *world*. We believe that separateness to be real.

    It’s as if we’re looking out at a mountain range through binoculars that have lines on the lenses to denote different parts of the field of view and we mistakenly think the lines are out there in the world. *”Look at those mountains!”* we exclaim. *”They have lines on them. I see them. They’re right there!”* We’re so darn sure.

    It is incredibly important to recognize the distinction between perception and reality here because this “we are all separate” mindset is a delusion we ACT on in the world and these actions are often quite harmful to us, others and the environment. This is the root of most of our troubles. Our worldview blinds us to our connection to others, blinds us to the fact that *our well being is tied to the well being of others.*

    That damaging stress that comes from isolation and brings on all this problems drops away, though, when we drop the delusion that we are separate individuals. We can stop thinking these artificial divisions in our minds actually exist in the world. When we awaken and realize we are water (rather than individual waves), *we see commonality and connection and we don’t feel desperate and alone.* We realize we have power and our actions (whether positive or negative) have an impact on this delicate and interdependent world. We realize that we have responsibility for what happens to us. Blaming and attacking the neighbor or someone across the sea, then, is just plain silly. It would be like your left hand attacking your right if the right hand accidentally hits the left with a hammer.

    Thich Nhat Hanh put it this way: When we look at a sheet of paper with our dualistic eyes, we see it as somehow separate from us. But the truth is that that paper came from a tree. So, if we are honest, we recognize the tree in the paper. And if we continue to be honest, we realize that a logger cut down that tree. So the logger is really part of the paper too. The bread that fed the logger and the baker who baked that bread are also part of the paper. And the tree wouldn’t have grown in the first place without water and sunshine, so those are part of the paper too. The paper could not exist without them.

    When we take a step back and continue this line of thinking, we begin to realize that there is nothing that is not somehow connected to that paper, including us. That’s why the Buddhists call the sheet of paper, the wave, and every other form *”empty”*. What they mean is that it is empty of a separate self, empty of a separate existence. It can’t exist without everything else. It is conditional. *Interdependent. Connected. *And so are we.*

    Particle physics is beginning to discover this exact same phenomenon (see the film “Mindwalk” and the work of Fritjof Capra and others). The idea that we or the paper are some separate lonely object or form disconnected from everything else is just false. Unfortunately, that false perspective of separateness and loneliness is the one we carry around with us all day long. It’s our “green glasses”.

    Because of the distorted view of reality we get through those glasses, we see danger where there is none and we feel fear that there’s no reason to feel. Our minds are like motors producing all sorts of thoughts (the majority of them lacking any grounding in reality). And unfortunately we believe everything we think, even when those thoughts are fueled by the delusion that we are separate from everyone else. As a result, we act on false information on a daily basis and thereby cause a lot of harm to ourselves and others. This, it seems, is the underlying problem that is the root of all the surface problems we keep attempting to fix.

    When we focus on root causes, this doesn’t mean we stop working on the symptoms. Environmental laws and regulations preventing corporations from buying elections etc. are necessary. But we can’t stop there. We need to also work on a fundamental level to fix the underlying problem: We have a flawed mindset right out of the gate that cuts us off from the very change we seek.

    Dostoevsky put it this way: “Man has been broken up into self-contained individuals, each of whom retreats into his lair. . . He only [worries] that the wealth and privileges he has accumulated may get lost. . . [But] the security of the individual cannot be achieved by his isolated efforts but only by mankind as a whole. . . AN END to this fearful isolation is bound to come and all men will understand how unnatural it was for them to have isolated themselves from one another.”

    Martin King, Jr. said, “I can never be what I ought to be until you are what you ought to be. And you can never be what you ought to be until I am what I ought to be. We are, all of us, inextricably linked.”

    Once we recognize that we are” inextricably linked”, another world is truly possible. All we need to do is take off those green tinted glasses. Then we can view the world *as it is* instead of the world *as it is in our heads.*
    PS – Perk up. Our action opens up every possibility. Too often we look fearfully to the future not realizing that *our assumption is that we are powerless and will do nothing.* We are NOT powerless and we will NOT do nothing! Soon, with our help, the warm sun will rise. 🙂

    • Thanks for your kind words, Bill. I too see the world largely through that contemplative lens and it has changed my life and brought me peace. Thanks for reading and commenting.

  9. I’m a gay, celibate Christian and I think the Bible is actually pretty clear in it’s condemnation of homosexual behavior. What is amazing is the extremes that people will go to to twist what the Bible actually says to justify their sin. This article is a perfect example–it repeatedly misrepresents the message of the Bible. The text, context, and the speakers in the Bible are clear; even when thoroughly researched, the Bible maintains that homosexual behavior is wrong. But what I see again and again, is people who are only willing to look at a part of what the Bible says, just enough so that they don’t have to actually follow it. They agree with any “new” conclusion that changes the meaning of what the Bible says, apparently without doing any research for themselves. Every. Single. Argument. that I have heard over the last 20 years from gay-is-OK Christians is flawed. Every. One. is partial and incomplete, but just enough so that it sounds good. God doesn’t want us to call our sin good (no matter what it is), He wants us to surrender it to Him, pick up our cross every day and follow Him. Obedience brings freedom.

    • Jim, the author doesn’t actually condone homosexual behaviour in this article. The issue isn’t whether we believe homosexuality is wrong – it’s about how we handle the situations we’re in, and how being led by fear always leads to harshness.

      As the church, we spend countless hours in discussion over whether something is sinful or not, but we never seem to discuss how we should handle those situations. I believe homosexual behaviour is sinful, but I also believe Kim Davis handled her situation poorly.

      • I think you’d have to be deliberately obtuse not to recognize that this article does condone homosexual behavior, whether it comes out and states that or not. Saying that evil is good is a serious offense and needs to be called out. I certainly agree with you that it is important to handle every situation in a godly way 🙂

    • Exactly Jim, thank you for saying so. We are to sacrifice the lusts of our flesh, straight sex outside marriage or homosexuality at all, all sin must be put under Christ!

  10. Hey Dave, great post. It really is shifting how I see things. I’m a fellow pastor and am really trying to make attempts to serve and love the LGBT community with mixed results, mixed emotions, and stumbling through what love requires of me. One question I for you is in Matthew 28:20 when Jesus says “teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you,” what does that mean for quantum love? How do I get those two ideas to co-exist in my head; quantum love and following Jesus by teaching people what he has commanded me to teach when it comes to sexual immorality/homosexual relations?

    • Thanks for reading and commenting, Mark. Regarding your question, I will say to keep thinking of it in context of your own children (if you have them).

      And yet it’s not quite like that because we are not the parents of those in our church. So maybe you can get the clearest idea by thinking about the absolutes we bring to parenting small children and the sense of care, caution, respect, etc. that we rightfully have as parents of adult children who have their own boundaries and identities.

      I’m confident this framework can be really useful. Think on it and let me know what’s panning out for you. Thanks again for reading and for your excellent thoughts and questions.

  11. We must love the sinner and hate the sin, just as God, the God of the Bible, does. The key to the scripture that you quoted is, Jesus said go and sin no more. Practice sin no more; a practicing homosexual is not living up to the scripture you quoted. If Kim was to endorse homosexual marriage,she would be in effect supporting the sin that the couple is involved in. We can love the people who practice sin but we cannot condone the sin, and call ourselves followers of Jesus Christ. He never condoned sin, He forgave sin and commanded; Go and sin no more! As a follower of Christ, we must stand on his words. This is what Kim has done, and this does not mean she can not love them. Kim is free to love homosexuals because she follows the teaching of Jesus Christ. This is what the bible teaches; What god do you follow?

      • Sounds very curt and dismissive…anyway.

        “It’s not that they disappear (traditional morality), or that there is no difference between good and bad, right and wrong. But in the universe of love, you simply cannot think in those terms anymore.”

        It seems like Jesus thought in those terms.

        “Most certainly Jesus appealed to and upheld the old Newtonian morality when he told the woman caught in adultery to go and sin no more.”
        Yes, He called her behavior sin–this is the very definition of wrong.

        “But by that time, everybody else was gone. None of those standing in judgment over her, none of the self-righteous enforcers of the old morality, were present. Jesus had dismissed them. Dispensed with them, really.”
        Everyone else being gone does not change that Jesus called her behavior sin. He may have dismissed them or dispensed with them, but He did not change His response to her. He continued to uphold the “Newtonian morality”.

        “We learn from that story that God is the one who tells us how to live.”
        Yes, from a correct interpretation of the Bible, not apart from it based on what we think is right.

        • It is the opposite of curt. I have complete peace with my perspective on this, as well as complete peace with those who disagree such as yourself. I have expressed my view as best I can, Jim, and I have little else to say on the matter.

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